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I asked once already that people chill until I hear back from them (Blizz). Jelan, nice to see you around. :) |
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But now that you're here, if you don't mind me asking, why don't you just get the information via an add-on or the armoury? I don't understand what additional benefit you're getting from scanning memory at run-time like you are. It seems like you're doing a lot of work and setting up lots of legal hoops to jump through for no additional benefit. Oh, and thanks for replying in person! |
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I look foward to seeing how this plays out as the service looks very promising. |
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Those would be the main differences compared to other sites offering slightly similar functionalities. With also the "raving quality" of the website ;) |
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I told you guys I was checking into it and for everyone to just take a bloody chill pill until we got actual info from Blizz themselves. Conjecturing does nothing but cause arguments. |
Thank you, Cairenn.
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Just like Normal said, I wanted to thank you Cairenn for trying to help us by contacting Blizzard. We already contacted them and we are waiting for their feedback, I keep you posted as soon as I have more news !
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It has been a while. Have we heard anything from Blizzard about this, or is this a dead subject that hasn't been answered and we will not get a reliable or solid answer about?
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Im sure there will be an answer. Keep in mind that involves blizzard reviewing the application in question and giving their approval.
I would imagine not a fast process. Take it in the grand scheme of a new expansion in the works plus managing the current issues and you get a better perspective on something like this. Just be patient. It could take weeks before anything further is known. It is however far from dead. |
I can cast some light on this Magelo thing. as I played EQ for 5 years.
Magelo can be said to be a "profile" site. If you paid a subscription, Magelo would "pull" your characters stats from EQ. In my day, the raiding guilds required members to have a "Magelo" profile. This was the only way for others to see your stats and equipment. The free profile did not "pull" your stats. You had to go into the "paperdoll" and manually add the armor slots you had. EQ (Sony) later tried to do something similar, but did not work very well when I left a year ago. Besides, you had to PAY extra! Boggle! Blizzards Armory is by far better than Magelo and EQ's attempt. Besides, it comes with the game! |
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--> Cairenn, I saw on Magelo's website that Blizzard Europe gave it a small mention on it's Community News section ... could this be a good sign? Blizzard Europe |
I saw that too Sepioth. (But I forgot to mention it.)
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So still waiting an answer for the US Region I guess :p |
Nice catch Kaomie. Never thought to delve into that! (Or even think of it!)
I guess we wait. Does anyone like waiting? :p |
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I just spoke to a GM over this...
<GM> Cleaphesta: Greetings Bemily! This is Game Master Cleaphesta and I've just received your petition. Do you have a moment to speak with me regarding this issue Bemily: Sure Cleaphesta: Fantastic! I understand that you had a question about a program? Bemily: Yes Cleaphesta: Can you tell me a little more about the situation, please Bemily: I found the program \"Magelo\" and I was intrigued by it. What it does is it creates a character profile page with extreme detail (including 3d model), all the items in your inventory, etc. But what raises the red flag for me is the fact that it Bemily: runs concurrently with wow and detects what char is logged in Cleaphesta: And this is an add-on, then?", Bemily: No Cleaphesta: Sorry about that delay, just trying to look it up here Cleaphesta: Taking a look here, it does indeed appear to be legitmate. I would recommend checking the forums though to see what types of experiences other players have had with it Bemily: I have checked the forums. I posted a thread myself and there is one other thread, but no one can give a clear answer Cleaphesta: I do apologize, Bemily. But as In-Game Support, Game Masters really aren't able to provide any more information on it than what's already on the site. Cleaphesta: As far as how it works, I would recommend contacting the company that produces it directly. As far as use, it is within policy. They said it appears to be within policy. |
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I am quite surprised actually by this discussion and the extra time the GM took to look closer into the question while he probably should not have. I am not 100% sure this is not somewhat a personal opinion rather than anything he would have solid information on, but who knows. Anyway GMs are not the way to go, really the only acceptable answer will be a blue post on the Official Forums, because then if anything happens with Warden you can always refer to the post and have your account unbanned, while I am not convinced quoting a GM would really help :confused: |
GM's do not set policy. They ONLY assist with in game issues..
Sorry, dont buy it for a minute.... |
Sepioth, I doubt everyone is aware that for Magelo to give what the Blizzard Armory produces, one has to be a Premium member of Magelo, ie., pay a monthly subscription to Magelo.
The "bot" would be similar to those that Curse Gaming and others have. |
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I was rly looking forward to check this thing out,hell,i even got it instaled alrdy,all what iam waiting for,is a word from blizzard about this soft. Naw that u said,that iam forced to PAY for a PROFILER,in order to get all my details of my char on that thing,my hands goes down. sad tbh,realy wold of loved to use a 3D profiler. As long as the thing iam paying for,does not offer me something unique that wold worth paying for,iam staying awai. |
There's nothing preventing you from using the free version when it comes out of beta testing.
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In fact, I think Bliz should hire Jelan to fix their armory. |
This question may sound silly, but wouldn't Blizzard aproval to this program create dangerous precedence for bot/cheat developers to use?
If you let one program to read WoW memory legaly, then you practicaly say it's FFA and anyone can do it. And how much more you need to create bot? Just read client memory send few keystrokes and thats all. |
Magelo has been around, serving the EQ gaming community, for 7 years now. Whatever bot thingies are gonna be made more than likely already have been made.
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Blizzard will never allow Magelo or any Software that get's information directly from RAM while wow is running.
Probably they don't mind when you upload database files or write stuff into saved variables, because it's not realtime. They are very eager on what they let out of the client in realtime. That's why you can't change the information on the G15 display. That's why combat log/chat log is bufferd and wrote to disk delayed. And Magelo breaks that rule. |
I don't get this whole getting information from RAM thing. Is this my RAM we're talking about, or some other RAM belonging specifically to Blizzard? I don't need for the game to remain open in order to Sync my toons using Magelo.
I will not debate weather or not the software is illegal to use with WoW. That and what the terms state is no longer an issue. I already know that I shouldn't use it right now, and I do not use it. I do use it with another game though. My only interest is weather or not they are going to tell us if we can use it (anyone other than an official Bliz employee stating otherwise is is doing so based on pure speculation only).... since they are indeed investigating it, have not locked Jelan's thread advertising it on the official WoW forums, have not banned anyone over it, and have not forced WoWWiki (an official fan site supported by Blizzard) to stop advertising it in their ad banner on the top of their site. |
What does this program do that the Armory, Warcrafter, Be Imba, or RPG Profiler cant????
With all the add ons, spreadsheets, WWS, and everything else available why in the world do we need another? |
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It's reasonable to have data written to disk because it can be tightly controlled by the code that produces it but having software capable of accessing in realtime, directly from main memory and Blizzard start to lose control and potentially get ripped off. Or you do!! So they don't like it! |
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There's so much that Magelo offeres, and I do not think I could possibly cover it all in a post. The only thing I can say is it puts all the others to shame. I remember the first time I used it for EverQuest.. I just sat there going :eek: (omg, wow!). I'll let you see two of my EQ Magelo profiles so you can click on all the gear, buttons and doodads you see: http://eq.magelo.com/profile/1304692 Notice the clickable icons on the right edge, and the tabs on the bottom. Lets say that I wanted to apply to a high end raiding guild. I add my profile link to my application and they can view it. They'll see what gear I have, my current stats (which are broken down in SOOO many ways for you to see) and if I need to work on anything. They'll see exactly where I am in my progression (keys I have already, what zones I am flagged for and quests I have completed to get there). They'll see everything there is to see, or what I choose to show or hide via my options panel. They also see how many AA (Alternate Advancements, same as Talent points) I have and what ones I am missing. I also have access, in my options, to check all my spells and see what ones, if any, I am missing. http://eq.magelo.com/profile/1364844 This is one of my little alts. If you look up on the top right of the display box you'll see a tiny icon. Click that and you'll see two links called test and test2. These are what is called alternate profiles. I can edit those and add gear, augments on the gear, or weapons. This gives me the ability to know what gear will benefit me the most so I will know what to set my goals for. (You can see which ones I've changed as they have a yellowish tinted background on them). For each alternate profile, if you look up top where my name and guild name is at, under it, it states that it's an alternate profile so that I can't deceive people by stating I have that gear already. There is also a ranking system for those who wish to allow their profiles to be ranked. (Gawd, that one guy has 24k hit points unbuffed... damn lol). There is also a guild tool, but I haven't played with it that much. There's an items database, spells database, zone database, and NPC database. Probably more stuff and I just can't remember what it is at the moment. |
basically its just prettier and shows your inventory, along with custom backgrounds and adding music thats about it i think.
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and you have to pay Magelo for it.
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Okay, I think this thread has pretty well run its course. If/when I hear back from Blizz, I'll post.
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