[Grimsin]

Phanx - that explains it i think. The bliz LOD's are loading up after player login, curious though do they fire the addon loaded events prior to player entering world? and maybe this is altered a bit even more by the fact that some places in my addon code load Bliz LOD stuff in order to start data collection the moment a player "views" the world. If that is the case i suppose i can leave this for now... I did figure out where my issue was and my problem is im trying to use addon.settings.blahblahblah before my addon code has created "addon" or "settings" let alone blahblahblah. Basiclly i was trying to access my variables via the meta table after the game loaded and the metatable is not available yet... of course the problem once i figured that out was that i have to write out the long way all the stuff that the addon.settings part is handling. which is lots of somthing = {}