Code still obfuscated?

[Din]

My understanding is the new policy prohibits obfuscated code, but Carbonite.lua still appears to be obfuscated to me. It has clearly been run through some automated process to reduce readability during packaging, and isn't the original human-editable code. I thought this new version was supposed to be in complicance with the new UI Addon rules? The version I have is 3.001, downloaded from here 15 minutes ago.

[kelshir]

It is readable code. It looks like to me that there is no formatting to the code, but it is all readable.

[Din]

All obfuscated code is "readable" to some degree, that doesn't mean it's not obfuscated. The code has clearly been passed through some program designed to destroy whitespace and variable names, remove all comments, etc., thereby rendering the code less redable to humans. I don't know what you call that except obfuscation.

[Spahut]

Originally Posted by Din All obfuscated code is "readable" to some degree, that doesn't mean it's not obfuscated. The code has clearly been passed through some program designed to destroy whitespace and variable names, remove all comments, etc., thereby rendering the code less redable to humans. I don't know what you call that except obfuscation.

Complain to blizzard then - see how far you get.

[Temptress]

I don't have a problem with them protecting their intellectual property. If this is the minimum it takes to comply with the Blizz TOS then kudos to them.

What Blizz has done is wrong they could have taken a different track and made an equivalent mod effectively destroying Carbonite, instead they chose to stifle innovation and hard work. ( now that i think of it sounds alot like what's happening to our economy)

[Din]

Protecting their intellectual property or not, I don't see how anyone could look at the current state of the code and say it isn't obfuscated, which is specifically mentioned in the new addon policy as forbidden. Whether you like Blizzard's decision or hate it, in its current state Carbonite violates the rules. Additionally they claim to be compliant with the rules when they are not, and at the very least I think that's dishonest.

[Temptress]

Everyone here paid and got the mod they wanted, we didn't pay for the code. Why should we care if the code is obfuscated or not; only blizz should care so let the big boys hash it out. It's not us that decides if they're in compliance.

[Haavok]

Originally Posted by Din Protecting their intellectual property or not, I don't see how anyone could look at the current state of the code and say it isn't obfuscated, which is specifically mentioned in the new addon policy as forbidden. Whether you like Blizzard's decision or hate it, in its current state Carbonite violates the rules. Additionally they claim to be compliant with the rules when they are not, and at the very least I think that's dishonest.

And what we have done could also be called compression. We are in no way hiding the actual code.

The new policy is to prevent code from being hidden/unreadable; there is nothing in there specifying coding standards, minimal level of comments, documentation, etc.

You have every right to an opinion but calling us dishonest is out of line.

[Din]

Originally Posted by Haavok And what we have done could also be called compression. We are in no way hiding the actual code. The new policy is to prevent code from being hidden/unreadable; there is nothing in there specifying coding standards, minimal level of comments, documentation, etc. You have every right to an opinion but calling us dishonest is out of line.

Of course obfuscation can also compress code, and compression can also obfuscate code. But regardless of what your intent is the result is, unquestionably I think to any reasonable observer, code which is obfuscated. How you got there doesn't really matter.

If the goal is compression you could always provide the compressor so people could perform it themselves if there was some tangible benefit. Or provide both versions for people who want to know what they're running (although that would still be questionable perhaps since the code in both "versions" may differ). Regardless, providing only this version is obviously a case of only providing obfuscated code.

[Haavok]

Originally Posted by Din Of course obfuscation can also compress code, and compression can also obfuscate code. But regardless of what your intent is the result is, unquestionably I think to any reasonable observer, code which is obfuscated. How you got there doesn't really matter. If the goal is compression you could always provide the compressor so people could perform it themselves if there was some tangible benefit. Or provide both versions for people who want to know what they're running (although that would still be questionable perhaps since the code in both "versions" may differ). Regardless, providing only this version is obviously a case of only providing obfuscated code.

Once again, you are entitled to your opinion and I disagree. We have released code which we believe is in full compliance with the current UI policy. Until the policy is revised to include specific rules for coding standards and documentation it will stay in this form.

Carbonite was released in this form strictly to comply with the new UI policy; it was not released to be some kind of coding resource for other addon developers.

If an addon developer would like to hook into Carbonite in some way, we will do our best to provide them with an API/information to do so (as we have done in the past).

[g0thicicecream]

Originally Posted by Din My understanding is the new policy prohibits obfuscated code, but Carbonite.lua still appears to be obfuscated to me. It has clearly been run through some automated process to reduce readability during packaging, and isn't the original human-editable code. I thought this new version was supposed to be in complicance with the new UI Addon rules? The version I have is 3.001, downloaded from here 15 minutes ago.

It's completely readable.../scratches head

...whether you personally are able to comprehend what you are reading is another question...

[Sythalin]

Um, I thought this argument was done? What other reason has this been posted other than to restart this flamefest? Reporting to get this thread locked down, cause it's completely unneeded and is already causing fruitless hostility.

[Dolby]

I can follow the lua just fine as well. Heck I know people who write with no formatting at all.

Closing this thread. I believe they are in compliance and we will double check with blizzard.

Please use the AddOn report feature in the future if you believe an AddOn breaks the new UI Policy and/or WoWI's Policy. No need to report this one as we are already investigating it. Just for the future