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09-11-12, 02:47 PM   #1
Shaddoh
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Rythal!! Read this...

So, as you probably know, the original "author" updated Carbonite only to break it! So, here it is....

Dude, you have to make your own addon. Get a site, set up shop, and people will follow you. Set up a Pay Pal acct and have people donate (who can), I know I will. And believe me, most here will follow you. I DO NOT want to support someone that does NOT play WoW like the rest of us and who claims they only play to update this addon. As their "update" shows they don't play at all.

Please Rythal, for the love of Azeroth and for the Alliance and Horde alike, make your own version!

Shaddoh


P.S. If you build it, we will come!
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09-11-12, 03:01 PM   #2
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It will come... some day... not sure when... but I will be doing it, if only I could figure out a name for it then I could get the ball rolling on forum/topics people can set to watch for the eventual progress.

Tho really don't like discussing it here in the carbonite forums for the same reason as I said Dugi was being rude posting his addon here, it's not carbonite related, and even if it's something that is nothing more then an idea floating in my head it's still an alternative product and disrepectful to the carbonite team talking about it in there forums.

NM just saw it got moved :P so it's ok now!!
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09-11-12, 03:06 PM   #3
Shaddoh
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If you don't want to discuss it here, we should find a place to do so. Even if it's a thread on some forum, we need to point all of the dedicated users to the thread so we can start brain storming a name for you addon and just how to go about getting it started. I got your back man and I'd like to help any way I can.
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09-11-12, 03:18 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Shaddoh View Post
If you don't want to discuss it here, we should find a place to do so. Even if it's a thread on some forum, we need to point all of the dedicated users to the thread so we can start brain storming a name for you addon and just how to go about getting it started. I got your back man and I'd like to help any way I can.
It's ok, the mods already moved the post to the proper forum.
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09-11-12, 03:31 PM   #5
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Rythal, it's good to hear you say you'll be working on a Carbonite replacement in the near future.

I'm still using your fan update instead of 5.041 as, after testing, I found 5.041 had a whole slew of problems and LUA errors.

I'll be looking forward to your replacement for Carbonite as the developers attitude and shoddy 5.04 update (and frame rate hit that came with it) seriously pissed me off.
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09-11-12, 03:40 PM   #6
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<cough>

I added Rythal's 50407 update to my zipped copy of 4.301, and uploaded it to a popular file sharing service, one that involves eyepatches and wenches and ARRGH! It is indexed and searchable now.
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09-11-12, 03:41 PM   #7
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So... my first challenge, is coming up with a name for it.. I've never been good at names for anything I've ever written (first WoW project, but been writing stuff for many previous games, hell some is even here on MMOUI for EQ2 under a different name :P)

I know a lot of you said names mixing google or carbonite, but my goal with the new project is something completely modular.. you can pick or chose what you want to run... so in theory it would be [NAME] Maps, [NAME] Quest, [NAME] PVP etc..

After I figure out a name, the next step is figuring out which part is wanted the most.. (I'm fairly sure I know the answer but really it's up to you the users which part you want first and one can never be sure)

So let the fun begin!
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09-11-12, 03:48 PM   #8
Quartz
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Darn- just posted in the old thread - missed the redirect here by 2 mins

Rythal, I'm so thrilled that you're working on a replacement. Dont knock yourself out, but I'm sure many people, myself included are looking forward to using your shiny new version.

Dont forget to add a big donate button - I'll be more than happy to oblige.
Youve made a lot of people happy

PS My vote would be the map first.
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09-11-12, 03:04 PM   #9
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Woot

i agree and sent you a message as well ... its sad when devs shun the extra help til they can complete things ... you piss off one fan and then you **** on the person that helps you you piss off more then one person ... you really should look at yoru fan base for carbonite and retract what you said because i see in your near future your comment to rythal about dont mess with your property when he clearly stated he was bandaiding in his forum post and link to a bandaid til you guys could work out other kinks and didnt have to rush and your FANS (probably close to 5000 downloaders or more) could have something that would keep them going til you fixed it ... but no you screwed him over and now you screwed yourself ...

RYTHAL you will have my support on anything you do buddy ...
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09-11-12, 05:33 PM   #10
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One more future supporter

Rythal,

Count on me for support once you're ready for it. I bookmarked this thread and will keep checking to see how you are progressing on RyQuest, or whatever you end up naming it.

I understand your not wanting to name it for yourself, but we -- your growing loyal fan base -- like the reference to the one who brought forth, Phoenix-like, our former favorite addon.

Again, thanks for all you've done.

J
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09-11-12, 05:46 PM   #11
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Thumbs up Awesome!

RytOn Maps? Too

You have my support as well
I thought of Carbon-Free but you have a true following here & it seems only fitting that your name be a part of it. It also takes us to a new beginning and a fresh start is what we all need.

I look forward to a true addon from you & thank you so much.
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09-11-12, 06:27 PM   #12
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Carbonized...... just because.!
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09-11-12, 07:07 PM   #13
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I'm thinking it will be a huge undertaking, considering this for the original Carbonite code:
  • all the code is arguably obfuscated (no idea if it was previously even more obfuscated the likes of Bejeweled)
  • all the code is unindented
  • the variable names are unintelligible
  • lack of any comment lines
  • everything is in one huge file of 26.000 lines
  • around 60 leaking globals, including the underscore which taints the Glyph frame (until the next Live patch)
  • license issues

I noticed Rythal already has done a lot of work to the fan update, localization and all (!) which is really great

But just trying to be realistic and constructive now, and looking from an addon author's point of view. Rythal already mentioned to be actively playing WoW and not having enough time to make it before MoP hits ..

I'm wondering though, is this is going to be a set of new projects written from the ground up, or a fork from Carbonite?
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09-11-12, 07:17 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Ketho View Post
I'm thinking it will be a huge undertaking, considering this for the original Carbonite code:
  • all the code is arguably obfuscated (no idea if it was previously even more obfuscated the likes of Bejeweled)
  • all the code is unindented
  • the variable names are unintelligible
  • lack of any comment lines
  • everything is in one huge file of 26.000 lines
  • around 60 leaking globals, including the underscore which taints the Glyph frame (until the next Live patch)
  • license issues

I noticed Rythal already has done a lot of work to the fan update, localization and all (!) which is really great

But just trying to be realistic and constructive now, and looking from an addon author's point of view. Rythal already mentioned to be actively playing WoW and not having enough time to make it before MoP hits ..

I'm wondering though, is this is going to be a set of new projects written from the ground up, or a fork from Carbonite?
When I did my fan update I removed most of the obfuscation just so I could work on it (took 3 days to do that alone LOL). Something tells me it was that fact that pissed off the original authors more then anything else.

The addon will be completly new from the ground up not using anything from carbonite, and fully modular so people can pick and chose which parts they want to use. I have no intentions of having it done by MoP's release, nor does anyone expect it to... but carbonite is going on 5-6 years old, the code is very outdated was buggy but usable, and vastly needs a rewrite starting from the bottom floor. I've already decided to try and use libmapdata to cut down on some of it's memory usage.
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09-11-12, 07:40 PM   #15
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ugh... it is sooooo tempting to do carbonite-mop-050408 :/ the two glaring bugs I had left (green missing texture in twilight highlands... start area second level maps), are the 2 things they actually fixed in 5041.... but I keep slapping my hand and saying NO!
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09-11-12, 08:11 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by Rythal View Post
...and fully modular so people can pick and chose which parts they want to use.
That just brought a tear to my eye. Thank you! That always irritated the hell out of me about Craponite.

/another vote for "Carbonized"
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09-11-12, 08:17 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by Rythal View Post
When I did my fan update I removed most of the obfuscation just so I could work on it (took 3 days to do that alone LOL). Something tells me it was that fact that pissed off the original authors more then anything else.

The addon will be completly new from the ground up not using anything from carbonite, and fully modular so people can pick and chose which parts they want to use. I have no intentions of having it done by MoP's release, nor does anyone expect it to... but carbonite is going on 5-6 years old, the code is very outdated was buggy but usable, and vastly needs a rewrite starting from the bottom floor. I've already decided to try and use libmapdata to cut down on some of it's memory usage.
Dude, I wish I knew how to write code to help you make a new addon. Hell, I wish I even knew where to start! I think something like that would be really cool and fun to do.
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09-12-12, 03:01 PM   #18
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Originally Posted by Rythal View Post
The addon will be completly new from the ground..... and fully modular so people can pick and chose which parts they want to use.

Awesome. I was trying to think of a way to suggest this without sounding like a know-it-all...

And, name-wise...

I like both Ry[map], etc, as well as Ryton[map], etc. Both contain part of your name, without using the whole thing.

Truth is, though - you could name it anything and, once people knew who was behind it, would use it. I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with...but take your time, don't kill yourself on it!
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09-11-12, 10:00 PM   #19
gorkha
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100%. Rythal is the man, saved my ass with those fan updates. The "official" Carbonite update pissed me off enough to finally register on these forums to express my gratitude to Rythal. And.. errrr thanks to whoever whoever put his version on TPB - THX i was an idiot and overwrote his good version with the crap version.
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09-11-12, 10:06 PM   #20
Beregwyn
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Thank You

I have been using Carbonite for a long time. At one point I paid for it. I just wanted to thank you for a job well done. I for one will never be using it again. I, as a developer myself, am appalled my the smugness of the carbonite developers. I understand having other obligations outside of a game. I have three kids, a full time job and a reservist in the military all at the same time. That does not give you the right to be smug. I myself would have been grateful for the help. If you do decide to do your own add on, I will be donating. These smug individuals have gotten enough of my money. Again, thank you very much.
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