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06-01-08, 06:52 AM   #1
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Magelo for WoW Now in Beta!!

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06-01-08, 07:04 AM   #2
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Excellent! I adored Magelo back in EQ.

*Wonders if her old EQ account is actually still around*


/edit Well, if it is, I can't remember what I had it registered under, so I'm gonna go with "Nope, not still there".
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06-01-08, 07:17 AM   #3
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06-01-08, 07:37 AM   #4
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Oooh, this looks really cool.

Thanks for the link Slienia.
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06-01-08, 09:00 AM   #5
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How does the Magelo Sync thingy work? What does it install exactly and how does it collect data?

What does authentic character means and how is it certified? Why are they not using the armory (or are they)?
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06-01-08, 12:34 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Kaomie View Post
How does the Magelo Sync thingy work? What does it install exactly and how does it collect data?

What does authentic character means and how is it certified? Why are they not using the armory (or are they)?
Dunno if I can answer all these lol. Magelo Sync grabs your character information right from the game as you are logged in. It installs, well, the Magelo Sync software so you can synch your character(s) lol. I used the one for EQ for almost 3 years... it's perfectly safe.

Authentic I think means that your profile has not been tampered with.. meaning you didn't log into your account there and place bogus stats in there for your toon. It's certified because you can only use their software to sync your characters. No, they do not use the Armory at all.. the information is pulled right from the game while you are running it. I keep mine running and it stays hidden by my system clock. When I'm ready to log into the game, I click on the Icon and choose WoW and the game opens... once I log into a character, I can go back to the little Sync window and synch my character if she has any new items on her, leveled, or got new gear.. it will show up on my profile online for everyone to see (unless I make my character private, which you can do).

I hope I answered those properly heh.

*Edit* This should answer most of your questions, and if not... Jelan and his team are really nice people and will answer whatever questions you have. http://wow.magelo.com/discover_magelo.jspa

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06-02-08, 04:00 PM   #7
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Would it be possible to make an addon that changes your character tab to look like that? I like its features alot more then the orginals. Especially with the modifiers tab and not have the 3D view because we already have dressing rooms in-game. Also the settings at the bottem right button could be the configuration button for the whole addon so it would be clean and simple to use.

This of course would not be Magelo at all, but an interface addon.
 
06-02-08, 06:02 PM   #8
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I got a reply over there, but I dunno who the person is that replied. The way they worded it makes it appear they work for Blizzard, but I've also asked for clarification on that too because I want to hear from an official person on the issue.

"There are lots of addons and other programs out there that make use of information sent to clients, Blizz even sends us "items numbers" and "item levels" but its just not used in the generic UI. This is all data that Blizzard designed to be utilized by UI and Add-On designers and makers.

Traditionally, the Magelo client read our games' RAM allotment to gather all its information, which is fine...

Usually when they're talking about things like that in the EULA, its refering to packet sniffers, which intercept and scan our actual network data stream. The data streams tend to carry proprietary information that is not meant to be used by any kind of UI addons, and is for internal game program use only.
Analyzing the data packets, you can find information on objects and other data that would allow for exploits or hacks. Because if you can see the incoming/outgoing data, you can see just about anything (even if its not meant to be seen), or possibly even alter it.

So as long as the Magelo client isn't intercepting our network data streams, and only reading our own computer's RAM, its fine to use.
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Does that sound even remotely correct?
 
06-02-08, 11:12 PM   #9
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The phrasing is a bit odd, espaically the last bit where they talk both of our network and our computer, although that could be a typo and was supposed to mean your computer. Still there's another our (in our game) and they talk about they when the mention the EULA.
Personally, I doubt this is from anyone at Blizzard.

The item numbers and such are sent inside the game through the API, i.e. they are explicitly made available. Other stuff isn't (such as exact mob health). Everything they did make available for us to write addons against is for use inside the game. It makes you wonder why Magelo didn't chose the default way to gather/send information, i.e. write a data file and have the application upload that (like the wowhead uploader or the other character profilers).

Strange...
 
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Rather than looking at the ToS, we probably should be looking at the EULA which better applies here I think:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/eula.html
4. Responsibilities of End User.
B. You agree that you shall not, under any circumstances,
5. Consent to Monitor. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY "ADDON," "MOD," "HACK," "TRAINER," OR "CHEAT," THAT IN BLIZZARD'S SOLE DETERMINATION: -snip- (iii) INTERCEPTS, "MINES," OR OTHERWISE COLLECTS INFORMATION FROM OR THROUGH THE GAME. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, THE GAME MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
So we are definitely not only talking about the networking layer, but also at the RAM content. Whether the Sync program can eventually match Blizzard description or not is what we would need clarification on.

We probably should wait until an official Magelo admin answers on their forums or we get some feedback from Cairenn.

PS: by saying "our" I would think the person is using the users point of view, which would be us rather than Blizzard.
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06-03-08, 12:19 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Silenia View Post
Does that sound even remotely correct?
IMO, not even remotely. Third-party executables are a pretty specific group that Blizzard says that users cannot utilize. They don't limit it to executables that do packet sniffing, though those would certainly be some of the most egregious violators. Macro programs do not packet sniff. They are not permissible. Many auto-leveling or gold farming bot programs do nothing more than what is described in their response to you, i.e. inspect memory, in that case to determine sensory inputs to choose actions. They are certainly not permissible. You could go on and on with examples like that.

Unless Blizzard explicitly made an exception like they do with certain things, for example whatever drives the G15 displays, I don't think that the argument they're making holds any water at all.
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06-03-08, 08:15 AM   #12
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Everyone seems to have their own interpretation of what the TOS/AUP means, so I will just wait to hear specifically from a Bliz employee.
 
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And even though the advisor at Magelo says the addon isn't doing the things that would make it against the TOS, is Warden going to know the difference?
 
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We’re currently researching this site to see if it’s breaking any terms of service or may cause a risk to players. I’ll let you know if I hear anything more on it.
Now you know what I know.

I told you guys I was checking into it and for everyone to just take a bloody chill pill until we got actual info from Blizz themselves. Conjecturing does nothing but cause arguments.

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06-03-08, 02:47 PM   #15
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Thank you, Cairenn.
 
06-03-08, 03:25 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by Cairenn View Post
Now you know what I know.

I told you guys I was checking into it and for everyone to just take a bloody chill pill until we got actual info from Blizz themselves. Conjecturing does nothing but cause arguments.
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06-04-08, 08:16 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by Cairenn View Post
Now you know what I know.

I told you guys I was checking into it and for everyone to just take a bloody chill pill until we got actual info from Blizz themselves. Conjecturing does nothing but cause arguments.
Thanks for organising this, Cairenn. Personally, I think if it IS passed by Blizz as OK, the authors of the software owe you. I mean, you're organising clearance for them, yeah? Lawyers usually charge pretty hefty fees for getting that sorta stuff sorted
 
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Just like Normal said, I wanted to thank you Cairenn for trying to help us by contacting Blizzard. We already contacted them and we are waiting for their feedback, I keep you posted as soon as I have more news !
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06-10-08, 10:40 PM   #19
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It has been a while. Have we heard anything from Blizzard about this, or is this a dead subject that hasn't been answered and we will not get a reliable or solid answer about?
 
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Im sure there will be an answer. Keep in mind that involves blizzard reviewing the application in question and giving their approval.

I would imagine not a fast process. Take it in the grand scheme of a new expansion in the works plus managing the current issues and you get a better perspective on something like this.

Just be patient. It could take weeks before anything further is known. It is however far from dead.
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