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06-03-08, 12:14 PM   #61
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/sighs

I asked once already that people chill until I hear back from them (Blizz).

Jelan, nice to see you around.
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06-03-08, 12:40 PM   #62
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Originally Posted by Jelan View Post
I just wanted to answer latest Mazzlefizz post regarding auto-leveling or bot programs. The key thing about those programs regarding the EULA is that they alter your game play, "the gaming experience" since they automate stuff. Reading the memory is just fine, it's a common thing to do on a computer, your anti virus does it all the time. As i pointed out in my reply to Silenia, Magelo Sync does not modify or enhance your game play in anyway and we dont data mine.
While I agree that the spirit of Blizzard rules is to prevent things that change the "gaming experience" as you say, I don't think the rules set up any provision for people just to say our app has good intentions and is thus OK. They do the judicious thing and say every app that does anything remotely close to this is not OK unless we say otherwise. I really do hope they grant you such an exception -- everyone seems to rave about the quality of your site -- but I don't think you can just claim "reading memory is fine" like that.

But now that you're here, if you don't mind me asking, why don't you just get the information via an add-on or the armoury? I don't understand what additional benefit you're getting from scanning memory at run-time like you are. It seems like you're doing a lot of work and setting up lots of legal hoops to jump through for no additional benefit.

Oh, and thanks for replying in person!
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06-03-08, 12:52 PM   #63
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Originally Posted by Mazzlefizz View Post
But now that you're here, if you don't mind me asking, why don't you just get the information via an add-on or the armoury? I don't understand what additional benefit you're getting from scanning memory at run-time like you are. It seems like you're doing a lot of work and setting up lots of legal hoops to jump through for no additional benefit.

Oh, and thanks for replying in person!
I was wondering the same thing myself. Using an AddOn to dump data to a SavedVariable (which is written at either log out or by reloading the UI), then have the updater/sync program grab that data is the legal way to do it. This is how WoWHead and others get their data.

I look foward to seeing how this plays out as the service looks very promising.
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06-03-08, 01:18 PM   #64
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Originally Posted by Xinh View Post
I was wondering the same thing myself. Using an AddOn to dump data to a SavedVariable (which is written at either log out or by reloading the UI), then have the updater/sync program grab that data is the legal way to do it. This is how WoWHead and others get their data.
I guess there is some added value: extreme simplicity for the users and live interactivity with the service.
Those would be the main differences compared to other sites offering slightly similar functionalities.
With also the "raving quality" of the website
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06-03-08, 02:06 PM   #65
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We’re currently researching this site to see if it’s breaking any terms of service or may cause a risk to players. I’ll let you know if I hear anything more on it.
Now you know what I know.

I told you guys I was checking into it and for everyone to just take a bloody chill pill until we got actual info from Blizz themselves. Conjecturing does nothing but cause arguments.

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06-03-08, 02:47 PM   #66
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Thank you, Cairenn.
 
06-03-08, 03:25 PM   #67
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Originally Posted by Cairenn View Post
Now you know what I know.

I told you guys I was checking into it and for everyone to just take a bloody chill pill until we got actual info from Blizz themselves. Conjecturing does nothing but cause arguments.
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06-04-08, 08:16 AM   #68
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Originally Posted by Cairenn View Post
Now you know what I know.

I told you guys I was checking into it and for everyone to just take a bloody chill pill until we got actual info from Blizz themselves. Conjecturing does nothing but cause arguments.
Thanks for organising this, Cairenn. Personally, I think if it IS passed by Blizz as OK, the authors of the software owe you. I mean, you're organising clearance for them, yeah? Lawyers usually charge pretty hefty fees for getting that sorta stuff sorted
 
06-04-08, 07:14 PM   #69
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Just like Normal said, I wanted to thank you Cairenn for trying to help us by contacting Blizzard. We already contacted them and we are waiting for their feedback, I keep you posted as soon as I have more news !
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06-10-08, 10:40 PM   #70
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It has been a while. Have we heard anything from Blizzard about this, or is this a dead subject that hasn't been answered and we will not get a reliable or solid answer about?
 
06-11-08, 07:02 PM   #71
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Im sure there will be an answer. Keep in mind that involves blizzard reviewing the application in question and giving their approval.

I would imagine not a fast process. Take it in the grand scheme of a new expansion in the works plus managing the current issues and you get a better perspective on something like this.

Just be patient. It could take weeks before anything further is known. It is however far from dead.
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06-12-08, 06:18 AM   #72
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I can cast some light on this Magelo thing. as I played EQ for 5 years.
Magelo can be said to be a "profile" site.
If you paid a subscription, Magelo would "pull" your characters stats from EQ. In my day, the raiding guilds required members to have a "Magelo" profile. This was the only way for others to see your stats and equipment.
The free profile did not "pull" your stats. You had to go into the "paperdoll" and manually add the armor slots you had.
EQ (Sony) later tried to do something similar, but did not work very well when I left a year ago. Besides, you had to PAY extra! Boggle!

Blizzards Armory is by far better than Magelo and EQ's attempt. Besides, it comes with the game!
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06-12-08, 01:21 PM   #73
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Originally Posted by saanlem View Post
I can cast some light on this Magelo thing. as I played EQ for 5 years.
Magelo can be said to be a "profile" site.
If you paid a subscription, Magelo would "pull" your characters stats from EQ. In my day, the raiding guilds required members to have a "Magelo" profile. This was the only way for others to see your stats and equipment.
The free profile did not "pull" your stats. You had to go into the "paperdoll" and manually add the armor slots you had.
EQ (Sony) later tried to do something similar, but did not work very well when I left a year ago. Besides, you had to PAY extra! Boggle!

Blizzards Armory is by far better than Magelo and EQ's attempt. Besides, it comes with the game!
I guess you didn't read the post's by Cairenn. What you enlightened us with was absolutely nothing. Everyone seems to understand how it works and what it does. People's concern is not what Magelo can do but weather it is allowed by Blizzard because it as a program that runs with WoW (not an addon) and collects data. Thia can be seen by the WoW client (program) as a "Bot" or Unauthorized program and cause you to get banned. Until Blizzard says one way or a another it is suggested that you wait and don't use it.

--> Cairenn,
I saw on Magelo's website that Blizzard Europe gave it a small mention on it's Community News section ... could this be a good sign?

Blizzard Europe
 
06-12-08, 02:50 PM   #74
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I saw that too Sepioth. (But I forgot to mention it.)

It says this:

Lastly, Magelo profiles are still around... and now serving World of Warcraft players!
(If you want to see more of the context, just go to the link above on Sepioth's post.)
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06-12-08, 03:04 PM   #75
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Originally Posted by Sepioth View Post
--> Cairenn,
I saw on Magelo's website that Blizzard Europe gave it a small mention on it's Community News section ... could this be a good sign?

Blizzard Europe
It would be, except the Europe Region EULA is different from the North America Region EULA, and seems among other things to be missing the part regarding the "Consent to Monitor" which is precisely the one of interest here. This would be because many European Countries have stronger laws concerning the protection of users privacy (CNIL law nº78-17 in France for example) which would conflict with a stronger monitoring.

So still waiting an answer for the US Region I guess
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06-12-08, 04:28 PM   #76
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Nice catch Kaomie. Never thought to delve into that! (Or even think of it!)

I guess we wait. Does anyone like waiting?
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Originally Posted by Cralor View Post
Does anyone like waiting?
Hell no... the wait is/was torture lol. It's not so bad at the moment though, as I'm taking full advantage of Sony's free month to get me back into to the game... been playing EQ and kinda just piddling in WoW. Thoughts of quitting WoW are running rampant in my head lately.
 
06-15-08, 01:52 AM   #78
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I just spoke to a GM over this...

<GM> Cleaphesta: Greetings Bemily! This is Game Master Cleaphesta and I've just received your petition. Do you have a moment to speak with me regarding this issue
Bemily: Sure
Cleaphesta: Fantastic! I understand that you had a question about a program?
Bemily: Yes
Cleaphesta: Can you tell me a little more about the situation, please
Bemily: I found the program \"Magelo\" and I was intrigued by it. What it does is it creates a character profile page with extreme detail (including 3d model), all the items in your inventory, etc. But what raises the red flag for me is the fact that it
Bemily: runs concurrently with wow and detects what char is logged in
Cleaphesta: And this is an add-on, then?",
Bemily: No
Cleaphesta: Sorry about that delay, just trying to look it up here
Cleaphesta: Taking a look here, it does indeed appear to be legitmate. I would recommend checking the forums though to see what types of experiences other players have had with it
Bemily: I have checked the forums. I posted a thread myself and there is one other thread, but no one can give a clear answer
Cleaphesta: I do apologize, Bemily. But as In-Game Support, Game Masters really aren't able to provide any more information on it than what's already on the site.
Cleaphesta: As far as how it works, I would recommend contacting the company that produces it directly. As far as use, it is within policy.

They said it appears to be within policy.
 
06-15-08, 07:46 AM   #79
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Originally Posted by Bomyne View Post
They said it appears to be within policy.
That is not exactly what he said. He said it was legitimate and probably within the ToS ("As far as use"), but he does not know about the mechanics and whether they are okay or not ("As far as how it works"). More importantly he mentioned he has no authority on the matter which is true as Blizzard does not support any third party addon or program (but of course some may be tolerated). This is why more often than not for any problem or question regarding the UI the GMs answer is to uninstall everything and run the bare client

I am quite surprised actually by this discussion and the extra time the GM took to look closer into the question while he probably should not have. I am not 100% sure this is not somewhat a personal opinion rather than anything he would have solid information on, but who knows. Anyway GMs are not the way to go, really the only acceptable answer will be a blue post on the Official Forums, because then if anything happens with Warden you can always refer to the post and have your account unbanned, while I am not convinced quoting a GM would really help
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06-15-08, 08:00 AM   #80
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GM's do not set policy. They ONLY assist with in game issues..

Sorry, dont buy it for a minute....
 

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