The difference between WOW and EQ

[tralkar]

NOTHING at all Please leave your grip here..

[Remelio]

Okay, well considering just in the tradeskills alone there is a ton of difference between wow and eq, I assume you're talking about something specific?

[tralkar]

The hole thing, i left eq after 5 years of playing and im seeing the same exact thing happening here too.

To all you "FAN BOYS" go blow an egg..

**fan boy** means a person that will never talk down about wow..

[Itanius]

What a waste of forum space.

[tralkar]

Originally Posted by Itanius What a waste of forum space.

so why did you post? you just wasted more space... fanboys geees

[Remelio]

If we can have a civil discussion here I'll leave this post, but if it keeps going like this I'm going to remove it. Just a warning to all.

[Rastaah]

The differences between WOW and EQ are too numerous to go into.

Namely, pvp style, graphics style, artistic quality and style (i like the flare in WOW much more than EQ), soloing ability, death penalties, crafting system, do I need to go on?



Sure, some of the same old bs exists but that is because its a MMORPG, there is a lifespan of a MMORPG and most of them follow it, including, WOW (much to my chagrin).

Id like to see a MMORPG break out of the Nerf it/Nerf the fun mode but so far WOW follows suit on that regard. (Nerfing fun, least thats my opinion, they like to take whats fun and make it less fun)

[Littlejohn]

Originally Posted by tralkar i left eq after 5 years of playing

That's longer than most people keep their car. Heck, that's longer than a lot of people keep their spouses... What are you complaining about?!

[Beladona]

if you are going to make a statement such as this one, and request that people leave their gripes here, please do explain why you took the stance that you did.

Making a statement without any type of explanation as to why the statement was made only causes others to make statements equally as baseless. Be aware that I do not discredit your statement in any way, except to say that I would love to see your point of view on the matter of the similarities or lack of differences between WOW and EQ...

Take this as an invitation to be more specific...

[Vayder]

Originally Posted by tralkar The hole thing, i left eq after 5 years of playing and im seeing the same exact thing happening here too. To all you "FAN BOYS" go blow an egg.. **fan boy** means a person that will never talk down about wow..

Maybe why your seeing the same thing in WoW as in EQ is because a majority of WoW players are former EQ players. Sure WoW has its vices but in my opinion i think its a much better game than EQ. Purhaps not as much content yet, but in time i think we will see alot more content that EQ ever had.

[Syxx]

While comparisons always happen regardless of whos making the game or whos playing it. I think EQ and WoW are to very different animals.
I play EQ for almost 6 years and for me, the last 3 or 4 years were hell. Yes it's my own fault for still playing it. My point though is with all it's problems WoW has so much more potential.

I've only been playing WoW for a little while now coming over from Star Wars Galaxies. Server issues aside, I've had more fun in WoW than I've ever had in EQ even when I was having fun in EQ.

I did try EQ2, to me it was just more EQ with better models, prettier lands to die in but still the same thing "re-imagined".

Personally, I'd like to see a list of things that lead you to your conclusions. I'd imagine most would be very superficial in nature or only "that way" from a certain perspective.

All MMOs have the grind, plain and simple. Can't be avoided. For myself, WoW has stepped up and delivered with some good stuff to help me lose that grinding feeling.

End game I can't comment on, I'm not there yet. But how much worse could End game get than what was in EQ for several years before they started dropped expansions like birds drop doo-doo.

I won't comment on the companies directly and how they handle CS and other things. That would lead to my opinions on SOE in general and I think that would be considered bad form here.

My 2 cents

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[tralkar]

When i started this post it was becouse i was mad as hell with wow.. saying eq and wow where no different ment that, the bugs, gms, and everything that was wrong with it.. but wow has more than eq will ever have

What i would like to here from people is why you like it wow more than eq. i cant stand eq today becouse of wow....

[Beladona]

I played eq shortly after Kunark was released, and continued to play until EQ2 came out. It was fun up to a point, after which it became a job. I have tried other games from SOE including SWG, EQ2, Planetside, and in the end they all started to have that same "seen it, lets get some xp so I can level this month..."

WoW for me has much more content to "ENJOY". It doesn't have as much content as EQ or maybe even EQ2, but what it has is MUCH more diverse and entertaining. From the moment you start playing WOW you can tell that the developers actually loved making this game. They put every inch of their creative being into the tiniest of details. I encourage you to just explore sometime without worrying about levelling or the like, and I assure you that you will find things that you didn't know were there, in just about every zone you visit.

The old saying that "it is the little things that make a difference" is definitely true here. They didn't just make a game with lots of stuff to do. They polished it up and made it something you can really enjoy. Animations, characters, even the names that were used in some places, or the things that NPC say, will entertain you no end.

That is a basic summary of what I think of WOW. I could go into detail about the technical side of the game, or the fact that it runs so well on a majority of computers, but we all know about that stuff. My love of the game it much more about the actual gameplay, which is what I think too many games nowadays have lost...

[Rastaah]

yes what Beladona said. The thing is , when I mentioned nerfs to fun.

Here is my example as a long time hunter.

Since closed beta, the thrill of capturing my new pet was so fun. Sometimes I might get something with 100 to all resists (while maybe overpowered, nerf it to 20 to all resists, not just remove it) , sometimes I might find a cool new ability, other times you got a faster than average run speed. Fun stuff because its the joy of discovery.

THE JOY OF DISCOVERY is what I believe they remove from most MMORPG's a lot, and what I really was loving about WOW.

Now they will vanilla'ize all pets (coming soon to a WOW patch near you) and we will train them with points and all in all they will be just as good or even better than the ones we used to find (ie joy of discovery). I would rather find these pets, spend days searching for his elusive little self, than to have it handed to me on a silver platter with training points.

Thats just me.

I never liked EQ, I have too much going on in real life and I saw friends lives go into the dump because of that game, No thanks.

[Remelio]

Not to take this thread off topic, but I agree with the pet thing... the solution to having people only chose one pet or another would be to make more critters out there hidden in the world that have interesting special abilities... or have the pets grow into these abilities - like have a level 5 wolf that gets a special claw ability when it hits 20 that upgrades itself all the way to 60... of course thats a lot of programming But almost worth it. Pretty much I guess they want you to not be "forced" into using a pet because of its abilities, and instead give you the abilities to put on your pet of choice. There are arguments for both cases though... on one hand you are giving a bonus to the people who already have a favorite pet and don't want to change, and on the other hand you don't have the "I wonder if this guy does anything special" when you tame a new critter or a named one.

Okay, back to the thread.

I played EQ from P4 beta on to GoD... I started getting disenchanted (yes, I was an enchanter.. yes this is a pun) with EQ sometime mid PoP but stuck with it anyway because of friends... moved servers to play with a RL friend of mine... finally got completely lost after I started WoW beta... I just really can't see myself going back to EQ after playing WoW... I even had my account available for a month when the servers merged so that I could move back to Tarew Ma.. er Drinal (yuck.. no offense to anyone from Drinal, but we had our name first ) and during that month I just couldn't bring myself to play. I'm not playing WoW that much nowadays, but thats mostly my own fault because I'm a lil bored with my mage (60) and the rest of my alts all have friends that I play them with that don't log on when I'm playing.
EQ and WoW are both great games, and both have their strong and weak points. No game is perfect and thankfully so, otherwise nobody would get anything done

Speaking of that... *gets back to work*

[Inokis]

Originally Posted by Rastaah I never liked EQ, I have too much going on in real life and I saw friends lives go into the dump because of that game, No thanks.

The same holds true for any game that has any addictive qualities. You only equate EQ to that because it was the First MMO of its scale and inherited all of the cliches that go along with it.

[XeroKill]

Contrary to what the OP believes in his appearently narrow view, I find a TON of differences between EQL, EQ2, and WOW.

I played EQL for a bit over 5 years and saw everything the game had to offer up to Tunat in GOD. The biggest problem that I saw with the game was it's age. The game had gone through so many expansions that the mudflation in the game was just absurd. A few days before I finally called it quits, I went back to Kunark and Velious and soloed half the encounters that used to take us 35+ people. Events like Trak, Gore, and Sev for examples. I was a level 70 SK with something like 785 AA. The items in the game were also absurd. I used to think Aten Ha Ra loot was insane when I first hit VT but to see items with 350HP/Mana and 3 augment slots that could add a ton more stuff, it was just nuts. As a result the encounters continued to get obscene to the point of members quitting due to mental breakdown.

As for EQ2... well I only played that game to level 35/34 (Barbarian Guardian/Armorsmith) and it was just a snooze fest. The tradeskills in that game made you want to perform a solo root canal on yourself, with out the drugs. The so called "solo" content was either a joke, or designed to be soloed well after the indicated level. The instances were long and tedious, but they were the only fun thing I found in the game. I did Nektropos at least a dozen times, and thought it was pretty neat. In the end it just seemed to be too redundant for me. I got my keys for EL and what ever the other was called (can't remember).

WoW on the other hand, is a nice change for me. I love the solo content in the game. I know it is an MMO and I have no problem with grouping, but I don't like being forced to group. In EQL it was not uncommon to sit in PoK/PoT for HOURS LFG! That was even in a big raiding guild like mine. I like the fact that items can't really flood the market due to BoE and BoP items. A lot of the things that rock about WoW are slowly being stolen by SOE and added to EQ2. The best thing WoW has going for it though, would be the tradeskill system. No one wants to sit in front of thier monitor for hours and try to make a sword or what have you. In EQ2 it was STUPID. You had to wait through the process and counter stupid little events just to keep from DYING, and in the end, the item was usually second rate quality. Some people may get a kick out of this, but most people that it was the lamest system ever.

Well, I could talk about this for hours, so I will cut this off here. There is some constructive conversation about the games. Eat it up!

[XeroKill]

Originally Posted by Beladona I played eq shortly after Kunark was released, and continued to play until EQ2 came out. It was fun up to a point, after which it became a job. I have tried other games from SOE including SWG, EQ2, Planetside, and in the end they all started to have that same "seen it, lets get some xp so I can level this month..." WoW for me has much more content to "ENJOY". It doesn't have as much content as EQ or maybe even EQ2, but what it has is MUCH more diverse and entertaining. From the moment you start playing WOW you can tell that the developers actually loved making this game. They put every inch of their creative being into the tiniest of details. I encourage you to just explore sometime without worrying about levelling or the like, and I assure you that you will find things that you didn't know were there, in just about every zone you visit. The old saying that "it is the little things that make a difference" is definitely true here. They didn't just make a game with lots of stuff to do. They polished it up and made it something you can really enjoy. Animations, characters, even the names that were used in some places, or the things that NPC say, will entertain you no end. That is a basic summary of what I think of WOW. I could go into detail about the technical side of the game, or the fact that it runs so well on a majority of computers, but we all know about that stuff. My love of the game it much more about the actual gameplay, which is what I think too many games nowadays have lost...

To comment on the statement of little details... that is another great thing about WOW to me. I remember the first time I was running through the Barrens and I saw a small heard of Gazel come screaming by the path. Or the time I was over near Kharanos and saw the Dwarven Artillery Crew put on their show and saw an Evil Dead and AC/DC refference in it.

[Beladona]

like I said, it is the funny little things that keep me loving the game. There a list on the official forums I believe that lists all the "easter eggs" that people have found. Things like the golbins at the teleporters named Scooty and Sprok... (think that was the names, it escapes me atm...)

[draxshar]

I played EQ for almost 4 and a half years and have no desire to play again. The only reason I played as long as I did, was that it was hard to give up the hours and hours of work poured in my characters. WoW has so many things that put it above and beyond EQ. The biggest for me is no loss of xp when you die. I cant remember how many hours I put in just to gain a level then lose it in a second and have to spend another hour and a half gaining it back, especially at the end game levels. The loss of xp was too far over the top compared to the gains.

The other thing that is so much better about WoW is not having to wait 3-5 DAYS for a mob to respawn, try to put together a raid group, (even in a 300+ member guild, it was tough), hope no one else has the same idea you do, and hope you are lucky enough to get your drop. That fact is one of the many sent me away from EQ. I realize epic quests were supposed to be hard, but they were ridiculous, especially given the reward. By the time you actually got it, it was more a sense of "thank god I'm done with that" than a sense of accomplishment.

Not to mention the far superior graphics, playability, (except for Lagforge, they gotta do something about that), tradeskills, the number and diversity of the quests, the extremely customizable interface, etc. in WoW.

Actually there is one difference above everything else...The Blizz developers seem to actually enjoy putting WoW together, its finely crafted and things work correctly most of the time. The devs over at Sony seemed to have only one thing in mind, pumping out a new expansion every 2 months, even though the previous 3 didnt work right, not to keep the game fun, as so much to get a little more money. Not to mention the broken promises...You long timers know exactly what I am refering to...

The only thing EQ and WoW have in common, (and this is most disappointing), is the lack of good CS when there is a problem, but I dont even want to get into that...

WoW is everything EQ could have been, (if they had listened to the community),...I'm glad that at least the Blizz devs payed attention to the gripes we had in EQ and took care of a lot of them in WoW.

Now if I can just get my fiance to take the final WoW leap, and join me in Azeroth full time. Is there a boat or zeppelin that goes to Norrath, lol?

My 2cp worth...