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[Yhor]

Originally Posted by MidgetMage55 This is it all in a nutshell. Decisions have been made. They were not knee-jerk reactions regardless of what people (on both sides) will choose to assume. Unless someone can come up with truly compelling reasons in either case, you will not convince the entrenched folks on either side to change their stances. Its much like debating politics. And we all know how those conversations turn out. Time to accept the situation for what it is, make personal adjustments and move on.

Quoting this from another thread, as it fits perfectly. Just let it die already, dayum. The only purpose this thread could possibly have, by now, is if someone new, or WowMatrix themselves, decided to ask questions or give an effort in participation.

The horse is very dead, not much remains of the horse, bury the damn horse already. Please.

[us2006027321]

Originally Posted by Jalandar There was never any doubt of which side you were on from the start....

I'm amazed by that. When I first arrived here, I was on WM's side, and I was doing some research because I wanted to understand the situation better. Answers I was getting both here and from WM led me to the conclusions I've drawn. At one point, I was resigned to using WoWI as an option because my first choice was being kicked in the bullocks. Now that I have no devotion to WM whatsoever, I've picked a side. Perhaps I haven't been as transparent about that as I thought I was.

Originally Posted by Jalandar WM cannot stop you from sharing information they shared with you absent them making you sign a non-disclosure agreement. Sorry, but this just doesn't sound at all believable or credible.

Originally Posted by honem They can't but they can still pursue legal action. Wheter they have a solid legal reason to pursue legal action is another matter entirely (eg defamation)

Originally Posted by Jalandar Not likely. The downside is way too big if the lawsuit is determined to be a SLAPP (Strategic lawsuit against public participation). Just ask Barbra Streisand, who got hit with a SLAPP ruling for her attempt to file a frivilous 50 million dollar lawsuit against an environmental group in an effort to force them to give in to her demands rather than fight her.

Unlike the situation with the Streisand case, I don't have the money for a lawyer, and if they did push the defamation of character button, I'd lose. If I could say more, what I have to say might pass the smell test. Unfortunately, you get to remain in skepticism, and I have to let you.

Originally Posted by Jalandar Now, all of that said, in response to your personal situation, let me express my empathy. I sincerely hope that you find work, or that your situation improves. I think everyone here knows people who are also having a tough time in these present circumstances, and I sincerely hope that they get better for you, and for everyone else they are impacting (including myself, but not to the degree they are effecting you).

Thank you for your support and your encouragement. I really do appreciate it. /hug

Originally Posted by Yhor The horse is very dead, not much remains of the horse, bury the damn horse already. Please.

My combat log on this thread reads as follows:

Originally Posted by us2006027321's Combat Log You cast [Beat] on Horse. Horse resisted your [Beat]. Target is dead.

[Tekkub]

The horse is not dead, it's just evade bugged. Isn't that obvious by now?

[Yhor]

Originally Posted by Tekkub The horse is not dead, it's just evade bugged. Isn't that obvious by now?

No, it's dead. Loot lag ftl.

[Tekkub]

If it was dead, no one would be able to attack it. They can attack it, but the attacks have no effect. Therefore, it must be evade bugged.

[Bluspacecow]

Originally Posted by us2006027321 Unlike the situation with the Streisand case, I don't have the money for a lawyer, and if they did push the defamation of character button, I'd lose. If I could say more, what I have to say might pass the smell test. Unfortunately, you get to remain in skepticism, and I have to let you.

Although indirect I think this says a lot for wowmatrix's "character"

On the one side you have Wowinterface and Curse both of whom talk and discuss things with anyone who would ask them things free of charge or persecution.

Then you have Wowmatrix who when asked a few questions for an article by an enterprising young lad threaten legal action.

Right.

Now who would you trust ?

[Yhor]

So why the error messages?

"Target is dead"
"You can't do that yet"
"Target invalid"

I see a lot of attempts to attack, but according to those errors, the horse is indeed dead.

Soon, the loot lag will subside and purplez will be distributed. I'm just hoping for slow respawns.

[us2006027321]

Originally Posted by Yhor So why the error messages? "Target is dead" "You can't do that yet" "Target invalid" I see a lot of attempts to attack, but according to those errors, the horse is indeed dead. Soon, the loot lag will subside and purplez will be distributed. I'm just hoping for slow respawns.

This horse only drops one epic: WoWUIMinion.

I should note that there isn't going to be a respawn. This is a one time event raid, not a repeatable raid. When it's done, you even get an achievement for completing it!

[voodoodad]

Originally Posted by us2006027321 This horse only drops one epic: WoWUIMinion. I should note that there isn't going to be a respawn. This is a one time event raid, not a repeatable raid. When it's done, you even get an achievement for completing it!

/roll

DAMMIT!!!

[Starfury]

Originally Posted by voodoodad /roll DAMMIT!!!

Luckily for you it is tagged as Party loot!

[voodoodad]

Originally Posted by Starfury Luckily for you it is tagged as Party loot!

Oh, thank God! I would've hated to be the only one who didn't get it!

[Jalandar]

Originally Posted by honem Then you have Wowmatrix who when asked a few questions for an article by an enterprising young lad threaten legal action. Right. Now who would you trust ?

See, this is my problem. He never said they threatened legal action, he simply threw some vague comments out there, and let people like you draw that conclusion, without having to make the claim himself.

I highly doubt they made the threat, and if they did, he should say flat out they did. If they in fact did that, then I'm totally on his side on this, and will retract my earlier comments entirely, and it will have a big impact on my opinion of them.

[us2006027321]

Originally Posted by Jalandar See, this is my problem. He never said they threatened legal action, he simply threw some vague comments out there, and let people like you draw that conclusion, without having to make the claim himself.

If I'm really concerned about having been threatened with legal action, do you think I'd come straight out and say so? I'm not legally responsible for conclusions you draw. I'm only liable for things I say.

Give me the credit due my intellect. (I'm not offended or anything; I'm just asking for the benefit of the doubt.)

[Yhor]

I'm now curious how WowMatrix would react, if someone took their code and used it for ad profits.

[us2006027321]

Originally Posted by Yhor I'm now curious how WowMatrix would react, if someone took their code and used it for ad profits.

/chant

Do it... Do it... Do it... Do it... Do it...

[Tekkub]

What? No one here has their code. I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Jalandar]

Originally Posted by us2006027321 If I'm really concerned about having been threatened with legal action, do you think I'd come straight out and say so? I'm not legally responsible for conclusions you draw. I'm only liable for things I say.

Well, then we are pretty much at a draw here. You won't elaborate, only make vague implications, which can't then be either refuted or validated.

The only intelligent conclusion one can then draw is that no legal threat occurred, absent any evidence to say otherwise.

Making vague comments and insinuations, unfortunately, makes it appear that an attempt at character assassination is being made. How can they defend against something you aren't coming out and stating has happened?

We have to simply take your word for it (well not even your word, just your vague insinuations)?

And that's why I have to stick by my original conclusion, that I have to take your entire prior post regarding why you won't post as sounding rather fishy and, frankly, unlikely.

Even if you have emails from them telling you they don't want you to repeat any of it, that does not create any legal obligation to you not to repeat it (absent a SIGNED NDA). You could send me an email with big letters on the first line "DO NOT DISSEMINATE OR DISCLOSE TO ANY THIRD PARTY" and I still have the full legal right to publish that email in its entirety. Just like if you and I were having a voice conversation in person, and I was secretly recording it, even if you told me to keep it between us, I could publish and release that recording, because I was a party to the discourse (it would not be the case if I were not a party to the discourse, but was recording it, unless any one of the parties knew I was doing it and gave me explicit permission to do so).

All of this made even more unlikely because people have said much much worse about WM, and they have not made a single legal threat against any of those people who have engaged in slanderous behavior.

In any event, that's all besides the point, as you have clearly decided to imply they threatened you with legal action to silence you, without coming out and actually stating it, and you have decided not to disclose what you claim they have told you (which again, I find highly unlikely still because nearly everyone else I have heard from, including a blogger from WoWInsider, have said they have never replied to their inquiries, so why would they reply to you and not them?).

I just find the entire scenario to be very unbelievable and unplausible.

[Yhor]

Originally Posted by Tekkub What? No one here has their code. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by us2006027321 /chant Do it... Do it... Do it... Do it... Do it...

If I were a programmer, I would definitely do it.

Reasons.
1) I believe in the eye for an eye mentality.
1.a) To watch them squirm when users turn their back on WM because they threaten a C&D, or hand out a C&D, for the same crap they have been doing from day friggin one.



Edit: I'm also NOT suggesting anyone else do it. I do not want to see anyone threatened by, or pursued by legal action... even though it would please me greatly to see WM given a blow of retribution.
Edit: I'm also NOT suggesting that anyone else should do it. Although, it would please me greatly for reasons 1 and 1.a above, I don't wish to see anyone threatened by legal action, or pursued by legal action.

2) Because I could.

3) See 2


In normal situations, with normal 'people', I would not consider being scrupulous enough to do something against my beliefs, such as killing, cutting off a limb, or even copyright violation. But WM has proven to fall outside of the norm, and I would not feel a shiver of remorse from taking their code, altering for my own (or a charity's) benefit, and releasing it at large.

If I were capable, hell yeah, I'd do it. But I'm not.

[Cairenn]

Please let's not get into discussion of committing illegal activities, shall we?

[Yhor]

Originally Posted by Cairenn Please let's not get into discussion of committing illegal activities, shall we?

I tried to edit, but it did not stick .

I don't wish for anyone to actually -do- what was mentioned above, as I'd not be happy if something -I- said provoked someone into doing something that could, and probably would be pursued by legal action against them. So please, do not take what I said as a suggestion, it was NOT intended to be.