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11-18-14, 11:49 AM   #1
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Multiple Choices for Carbonite versions

I'm uncertain as to which of the multiple choices for various stages of carbonite development to use. For instance, there's:
* Rythal's latest alpha/beta version (which is at least 4 months old)
* The quick-fix "buggy" version posted by Ebnor
* And, the WOD/Pre-patch" git" version.

I am only interested in having the carbonite maps and the carbonite warehouse. (I am not using Blizzard's WoD expansion, so I don't care about it).

Which one or which combination do I need to install? I know Rythal and others are working on the "git" version, but the latest post I read today on the forum (Nov 18, 2014) says "Thats right DONT download github version of Carbonite. It was for 6.0.2 no updates till then, so its outdated and will NOT WORK." It says that in bold, red lettering.

That confused me even more than I was already! lol
-- I will appreciate some help. If my question has been answered somewhere else, I just couldn't find it. Some of the forum "Sticky's" don't seem to have helpful names.

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11-18-14, 04:08 PM   #2
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The answer is none of the above...

the git version was never meant for public use, it was for other's who wished to help with updating to the new api or working on localizing carbonite to their native language now that I have true localization, and will quite often spam your chat with debugging messages or has expected errors popping up.

The old alpha version is long dead since 6.0 launched

The unsupported hotfix works, but as they said is unsupported and very buggy because it was just bandage fixes to eliminate lua errors.

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11-18-14, 04:11 PM   #3
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The unsupported version does make the map work(ish). In my opinion, the bugs and problems are much less annoying than Blizzard's default map. Some quest tracking works, some not at all, and some is a little off.. but workable for now.

Thank you again, Rythal, for all your hard work, can't wait to have your official release when it's done.
 
11-18-14, 06:43 PM   #4
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Thank you, both Rythal and Spunkymanker, for replying. Your replies were concise and to the point.

I went ahead and followed all the steps given by Ebnor in his post #1. It was an excellent list of steps and easy to follow. However... after performing the process 3 times (including deleting all the Carbonite files and the WTF), I cannot get the game to run. It hangs my display and the game as soon as I load my char into the game. I have had to use Ctrl/Alt/Del each time to get out of it. I followed each of his steps and suggestions precisely, each time. The only variation was that I used the most recently-dated Ace DB submission, instead of the older one which he gave in his example. I don't know if that makes a difference, or not, but at this point, I'm not ready to start over again. So, I'm back to plain ol' WoW. For some reason, I thought a lot of players had gotten the game to work with "something" Carbonite-related? And, even last week I had the Carbonite maps and the Warehouse working. I'm not sure, but maybe I was using the Git fixes, even though I only found out today that nobody is supposed to use them, unless they are developers? I've forgotten exactly what I did last week already. I'll just wait until Rythal gets everything done as he has planned to do. I'm sure he'll do a fine job of it. Thanks again for replying.
 
11-18-14, 09:55 PM   #5
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I'm using the GIT version for old content and disabling the addon in new zones. Because of errors in chat. Really missing routes for my herbing and mining.
 
11-26-14, 11:13 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Kreelor View Post
I'm uncertain as to which of the multiple choices for various stages of carbonite development to use. For instance, there's:
* Rythal's latest alpha/beta version (which is at least 4 months old)
* The quick-fix "buggy" version posted by Ebnor
* And, the WOD/Pre-patch" git" version.

I am only interested in having the carbonite maps and the carbonite warehouse. (I am not using Blizzard's WoD expansion, so I don't care about it).

Which one or which combination do I need to install? I know Rythal and others are working on the "git" version, but the latest post I read today on the forum (Nov 18, 2014) says "Thats right DONT download github version of Carbonite. It was for 6.0.2 no updates till then, so its outdated and will NOT WORK." It says that in bold, red lettering.

That confused me even more than I was already! lol
-- I will appreciate some help. If my question has been answered somewhere else, I just couldn't find it. Some of the forum "Sticky's" don't seem to have helpful names.
I'm quoting my own post here, since I still haven't gotten an answer on exactly what I can use in the interim while Rythal is pulling his hair out and working on a 'complete' project release.

(1) Is there any version, whether fully-complete or not, that has the maps working? Personally, I don't care about the WoD expansion mapping. I have many other characters I'm hoping to continue working on.

(2) We've been told DO NOT USE THE 'GIT' VERSION! So, that is apparently not an option to use.

(3) The "Buggy, Error-filled" interim version will not install and run for me. I've tried several times, as I mentioned in a previous post. Nobody offered any help to me at all on that issue. So, it is also not an option, at least without an adequate reply from someone.

(4) The so-called "WOD/Pre-patch" version is a complete misnomer at this point since the Blizzard "patch" came and went a while ago. Maybe a new forum sticky named "Post-WOD Developer's Alpha GIT Version" would be more accurate? That would at least separate its incomplete state from being mingled constantly in multiple other sticky's, threads and topics. It's very confusing.

Once again, I'm only asking if there is ANYTHING available currently that will let me continue playing the game with Carbonite's customized (Google) maps and the Carbonite Warehouse as I did several years ago (it's been that long). For me, the other additional Carbonite features can come later, such as questing, Dungeons, Raids, WoD stuff, etc.

Many people are saying they are using the incomplete, error-filled WOD/Pre-patch GIT version without too many problems, yet we have been told to NOT USE IT. It's for Development... not for users to use. Plain vanilla WoW is horrible without features such as the Warehouse, etc. Professions and saved armament items are impossible to locate and manage without it!

Can nobody give a concise, simple answer to such a simple question? The forum structure (as convoluted as it is) offers no clear, definitive answer for users (except maybe for experienced developers who don't even need to ask!). I'm not one of them. (grin). Or, at least, I cannot find the answer buried within the multiple, unrelated topics, etc. It's all mixed up with no logical order. I for one will appreciate some help so that I can resume playing the game instead of waiting for a complete overhaul of Carbonite, which could take until after even a new expansion is released a year or so from now. That's just a guess.

I am not pushing Rythal to go any faster. I am not complaining about all the wonderful effort he's applying. I'm merely asking if there is some way to get a useable, minimal "core product" out for us to use while he's tidying up the remaining issues. As it stands now, there is no Carbonite addon, and hasn't been for a year or two. It's a lot of work to overhaul every aspect of Carbonite's great features. I'm just hoping for something workable until then. For me, maps and warehouse top the list of 'core features."

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11-27-14, 06:31 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Kreelor View Post
I'm quoting my own post here, since I still haven't gotten an answer on exactly what I can use in the interim while Rythal is pulling his hair out and working on a 'complete' project release.

(1) Is there any version, whether fully-complete or not, that has the maps working? Personally, I don't care about the WoD expansion mapping. I have many other characters I'm hoping to continue working on.

(2) We've been told DO NOT USE THE 'GIT' VERSION! So, that is apparently not an option to use.

(3) The "Buggy, Error-filled" interim version will not install and run for me. I've tried several times, as I mentioned in a previous post. Nobody offered any help to me at all on that issue. So, it is also not an option, at least without an adequate reply from someone.

(4) The so-called "WOD/Pre-patch" version is a complete misnomer at this point since the Blizzard "patch" came and went a while ago. Maybe a new forum sticky named "Post-WOD Developer's Alpha GIT Version" would be more accurate? That would at least separate its incomplete state from being mingled constantly in multiple other sticky's, threads and topics. It's very confusing.

Once again, I'm only asking if there is ANYTHING available currently that will let me continue playing the game with Carbonite's customized (Google) maps and the Carbonite Warehouse as I did several years ago (it's been that long). For me, the other additional Carbonite features can come later, such as questing, Dungeons, Raids, WoD stuff, etc.

Many people are saying they are using the incomplete, error-filled WOD/Pre-patch GIT version without too many problems, yet we have been told to NOT USE IT. It's for Development... not for users to use. Plain vanilla WoW is horrible without features such as the Warehouse, etc. Professions and saved armament items are impossible to locate and manage without it!

Can nobody give a concise, simple answer to such a simple question? The forum structure (as convoluted as it is) offers no clear, definitive answer for users (except maybe for experienced developers who don't even need to ask!). I'm not one of them. (grin). Or, at least, I cannot find the answer buried within the multiple, unrelated topics, etc. It's all mixed up with no logical order. I for one will appreciate some help so that I can resume playing the game instead of waiting for a complete overhaul of Carbonite, which could take until after even a new expansion is released a year or so from now. That's just a guess.

I am not pushing Rythal to go any faster. I am not complaining about all the wonderful effort he's applying. I'm merely asking if there is some way to get a useable, minimal "core product" out for us to use while he's tidying up the remaining issues. As it stands now, there is no Carbonite addon, and hasn't been for a year or two. It's a lot of work to overhaul every aspect of Carbonite's great features. I'm just hoping for something workable until then. For me, maps and warehouse top the list of 'core features."
"* The quick-fix "buggy" version posted by Ebnor" - works for me, but i did have to disable some other addons to get it work. All things before WoD works, in Wod map works, most of quest works, warehouse works, social dont, even i did some changes to get Zygor to work. U have to use the latest Ebnor fix.

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11-27-14, 12:54 PM   #8
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Thank you, ircdirk, for your reply.

When I attempted 3 times to get Ebnor's fix working, I had all addons disabled, and followed all his other steps. It still failed to work for me. I may have been overlooking something, but I cannot imagine what it might be. It should be a straight forward process, since he outlined the steps so nicely. And, 'yes,' I used the latest versions of everything that he suggested. -- Very kind of you to reply. Thank you.
 
11-27-14, 01:13 PM   #9
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Hmm

Don't hold your breath waiting on Carbonite. As yesterdays posts show Rythal still hadn't been through the portal into Draenor, so we have to assume that he doesn't really play the game any more. In fairness to him, if he was still playing wow he would have started fixing Carbonite during beta or at least PTR and he didnt.

Maybe Rythal just needs to admit that he isnt over interested any more and perhaps hand over the baton to someone who has an interest.

I have got used to playing with Blizzards system now and won't go back.
 
11-27-14, 01:40 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by matt_b19 View Post
Hmm

Don't hold your breath waiting on Carbonite. As yesterdays posts show Rythal still hadn't been through the portal into Draenor, so we have to assume that he doesn't really play the game any more. In fairness to him, if he was still playing wow he would have started fixing Carbonite during beta or at least PTR and he didnt.

Maybe Rythal just needs to admit that he isnt over interested any more and perhaps hand over the baton to someone who has an interest.

I have got used to playing with Blizzards system now and won't go back.
I thought of that myself, but it doesn't really matter. There are many people who are advanced players who have been there and everywhere else. Those same people have been supplying information to him and it can be used to find/fix current Carbonite problems which are preventing all the rest of the world from using the addon. And, your comment doesn't explain why the addon doesn't work for "non-WoD" users. Just like the rest of you, I'm hoping for a breakthrough that will allow some semblance of Carbonite, as it used to be.
 
11-27-14, 01:52 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by matt_b19 View Post
Hmm

Don't hold your breath waiting on Carbonite. As yesterdays posts show Rythal still hadn't been through the portal into Draenor, so we have to assume that he doesn't really play the game any more. In fairness to him, if he was still playing wow he would have started fixing Carbonite during beta or at least PTR and he didnt.

Maybe Rythal just needs to admit that he isnt over interested any more and perhaps hand over the baton to someone who has an interest.

I have got used to playing with Blizzards system now and won't go back.
I briefly took the time to read all of your posts thus far and quite frankly, I think you are way off base. The reason Rythal hasn't been through the portal as of the post he said that in, is because he has been so busy trying to fix Carbonite. According to both Rythal and the folks working on getting Carb up and running again, some of Carb's core coding had to be rewritten from the ground up.

Which means Rythal had to figure out why it was coded the way it was in the first place, then figure out how to adjust it without throwing the entire addon out of kilter. As Rythal isn't one of Carbonite's original authors, he probably had to reverse engineer Carb to an extent that, up until WoD, simply wasn't needed.

I don't know LUA, don't know how to program addons, and really have only taken a few introductory programming classes, so I can't speak with any authority other than my own logic and common sense. There have been daily posts, there is a version of Carb Rythal has going that is getting closer to release by the day, with lots of people troubleshooting it and finding/fixing bugs.

I, personally, would rather spend a month or so without Carb, than an entire expansion of a buggy, half complete Carb.

I truly don't know what to tell the original poster, except to hang in there and wait patiently, and, God Willing, we will all get a nice Christmas present of Carbonite.

To Rythal and all the other folks bug hunting and localizing, and who knows what else, keep up the great work and don't let pessimists drag you down!

Stay strong and code on.
 
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Originally Posted by matt_b19 View Post
Hmm

Don't hold your breath waiting on Carbonite. As yesterdays posts show Rythal still hadn't been through the portal into Draenor, so we have to assume that he doesn't really play the game any more. In fairness to him, if he was still playing wow he would have started fixing Carbonite during beta or at least PTR and he didnt.

Maybe Rythal just needs to admit that he isnt over interested any more and perhaps hand over the baton to someone who has an interest.

I have got used to playing with Blizzards system now and won't go back.
Not everyone is in a rush to 100, Almost everyone I know ran through the portal into laggy over populated zones only to spend about 12 hours to grind through the content and be finished with the expansion. I don't raid, so why would I want to be 100 just so I can stand around with nothing to do again.

Yes I still play the game, and 99.9% of what went into fixing the addon never required going through the portal.

The only thing not working on the other side is the green texture for garrisons which can be helped by actually standing in a garrison, but if I really wanted to waste time I could fix even that without going through.
 
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Originally Posted by matt_b19 View Post
Hmm

Don't hold your breath waiting on Carbonite. As yesterdays posts show Rythal still hadn't been through the portal into Draenor, so we have to assume that he doesn't really play the game any more. In fairness to him, if he was still playing wow he would have started fixing Carbonite during beta or at least PTR and he didnt.

Maybe Rythal just needs to admit that he isnt over interested any more and perhaps hand over the baton to someone who has an interest.

I have got used to playing with Blizzards system now and won't go back.
Wow! You truly are an immature little troll >.< Ever hear of patience? I have to assume you're a kid or else you'd realize that work and/or school, family and life in general make it difficult to work full-time on an addon for a game. Give Rythal a break. He's doing his best and I have faith the wait will be worth it =)
 
12-13-14, 04:35 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by Kreelor View Post
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I'm uncertain as to which of the multiple choices for various stages of carbonite development to use. For instance, there's:
* Rythal's latest alpha/beta version (which is at least 4 months old)
* The quick-fix "buggy" version posted by Ebnor
* And, the WOD/Pre-patch" git" version.

Many people are saying they are using the incomplete, error-filled WOD/Pre-patch GIT version without too many problems, yet we have been told to NOT USE IT. It's for Development... not for users to use.

Can nobody give a concise, simple answer to such a simple question? I cannot find the answer buried within the multiple, unrelated topics, etc. It's all mixed up with no logical order. I for one will appreciate some help

I am not pushing Rythal to go any faster. I am not complaining about all the wonderful effort he's applying. I'm just hoping for something workable until then. For me, maps and warehouse top the list of 'core features."



Hey there... i was in the same boat as you are in now. i took time last week to check all hotfix & git versions, the one i find that actually works with the least amount of bugs, Ebmor's EXPERIMENTAL, BUGGY & INCOMPLETE HOTFIX.

I will post it below, so that you don't have to go looking for the post in the thread (I have also included the ONLY 3 items you need to download). I know you said you tried this & it didn't work, just go through it again carefully. Keep in mind that while in your Garrison, the map will NOT work.
What I do is head just outside of my garrison, where I can see mobs & other players, /reload ui & tadaah, there is my map; i keep it set to NOT follow, and go back into my Garrison & the main map remains up.
NOTE: I have removed the buggiest files so ONLY what you will need is in this version of Elmor's extensive steps (less confusion). If you are in your Garrison & reload ui, you will lose the map, which will return upon leaving the Garrison & reloading again; a little tedious but who cares I GOT MY CARBONITE BACK.

The other thing i find that i must do in game, is, sometimes /reload ui to get the quest watch blobs to appear on the map, works about 75% of the time, sometimes i have to wait a few minutes & reload again). I have not gone to BG or instances/raids, just roaming around questing & working on Garrison. It seems the quest blobs disappear so /reload ui is something i do regularly. that is the smallest issue to deal with.
Daily tasks before logging on to WoW: to check for most recent Ace versions (this seems to be what keeps this hotfix working) & Carbonite LIVE versions (which we are all practicing our patience to see ready to go)

thank you Ebmor & Rythal for all you have done

p.s. i love that all changes apply to all alts! Good Luck & happy questing
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Ebmor's EXPERIMENTAL, BUGGY & INCOMPLETE HOTFIX
steps -- FOR EXPERIENCED USERS ONLY --

1. Exit the game.

2. Make a backup copy of your <WOW>\WTF folder and keep it at a safe place.
(maybe you your old Carbonite settings at a later date).

3. Delete all old Carbonite related folders located under <WOW>\Interface\AddOns\

4. Get the "official" Carbonite 5.4.2 Alpha 5 from here:

http://www.wowinterface.com/download...TAVERSION.html

and extract the contents of "CarboniteBETA-542a5.zip" to

<WOW>\Interface\AddOns\

5. Get a current version of the Ace3 libraries from here:

http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/files/

(e.g. Ace3-r1124.zip) and update (overwrite) the folders located under
(NOTE from ihatepms: i am using current version Ace3-r1126.zip & i check daily to verify this is the most updated ver)

<WOW>\Interface\AddOns\Carbonite\Libs

6. Get the attached

* CarboniteHotfix20141112.zip (limited Draenor suppport; enUS,deDE only) **see attached file

and update (overwrite) the files in the various Carbonite folders located under

<WOW>\Interface\AddOns\

7. Start the game and enable loading of out-of-date addons.

(I have not updated the TOCs to make it clear that this a incomplete, buggy, "unofficial" and completely unsupported hotfix.)

Further recommendation: Do not run the "Overachiever" addon together with this hotfix (additional LUA errors).
- map issues (missing zones, wrong indexes) fixed - carbonite quest window fixed

NOTE: Draenor zones are still not supported

Limited support for Draenor world zones (enUS, deDE only (*)) added. Draenor instances are not supported.

First experiences:

The "Frostfire Ridge" map and quest tracking seems to work as expected
(as usual you can use /reload if quest objectives are not clickable).

Tanaan Jungle Intro map is not supported (unimportant). Garrison maps are not supported (annoying).

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Attached Files below
Attached Files
File Type: zip CarboniteHotfix20141112.zip (424.6 KB, 92 views)
File Type: zip Ace3-r1126.zip (156.6 KB, 91 views)
File Type: zip CarboniteBETA-542a5.zip (2.48 MB, 100 views)

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12-13-14, 05:30 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by ihatepms View Post
Hey there... i was in the same boat as you are in now. i took time last week to check all hotfix & git versions, the one i find that actually works with the least amount of bugs, Ebmor's EXPERIMENTAL, BUGGY & INCOMPLETE HOTFIX.
Nope, its GitHub version that actually works best now: https://github.com/Rythal/Carbonite/archive/master.zip
 
12-13-14, 07:36 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by ihatepms View Post
Hey there... i was in the same boat as you are in now. i took time last week to check all hotfix & git versions, the one i find that actually works with the least amount of bugs, Ebmor's EXPERIMENTAL, BUGGY & INCOMPLETE HOTFIX.

I will post it below, so that you don't have to go looking for the post in the thread (I have also included the ONLY 3 items you need to download). I know you said you tried this & it didn't work, just go through it again carefully. Keep in mind that while in your Garrison, the map will NOT work.
Thank you, ihatepms, for your consideration about my previous post. I can see that you spent a great deal of effort in your post. It was very kind of you! However, there would be no possible way for me to "just go through it again carefully." The last 2 attempts (out of 3 total) were done as carefully as I could manage. heh heh.

You mentioned steps and suggestions for garrisons, etc. (WoD) which I said I'm not using. But, your steps may help other users who are using the new expansion.

In any event, I deleted everything and started over by using the in-work "github" version(s) as they become available. So far, so good -- except for the Warehouse. It still has issues which I'm hopeful that Rythal will have time to fix, eventually. He's too busy now fixing major bugs and those other things which are problems for people using WoD expansion. It's understandable, and I'm patient.

And, you helped me realize that I have been misspelling Ebmor's name! I thought it was "Ebnor." My apologies to him! (This forum allows no way for users to "Edit/update spelling corrections in all MY previous posts)". LOL

I suggest that you follow ircdirk's comment and use the in-work, "github" version. It has surpassed the stage that Ebmor's (wonderful, timely) fix provided. And, Ebmor is not updating his fix any longer.

Thanks again, ihatepms, for your attempt to help.
 
 

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